Dr. Jena (00:00)
Okay, so we're starting the trial for Meg Powers today. We're gonna be putting her on trial and I'm sorry.
Dr. Jena (00:06)
Okay.
Meg Powers (00:07)
Convicted idiot.
Dr. Jena (00:08)
We're gonna now subpoena and serve her with her warrant for her arrest. So
Meg Powers (00:11)
You've been served.
Jena Schultz (00:17)
Welcome to Driving Development Podcast, the podcast for parents, therapists, and caregivers navigating child development in a world increasing in opinions and decreasing in critical thinking. I'm Jenna Schultz, pediatric physical therapist, educator, and mom of two. Each week we'll break down the research, challenge assumptions, and help you make informed decisions for your family. Let's get started.
Dr. Jena (00:40)
actually have first guest today.
Dr. Jena (00:42)
you know what? I'm gonna feel really bad if I say this with like the completely wrong accent because I feel that I will absolutely do this. But And is it Meg? Like, is that something that you
Meg Powers (00:56)
You were gonna misprono
Meg Powers (01:01)
ever in my forty two years been like how do you pronounce your first name?
Dr. Jena (01:10)
I genuinely like, no, can I can I give some context?
Meg Powers (01:13)
gonna say like
Meg Powers (01:14)
how do you pronounce provenance correctly? That's why I was like, mm-mm, I get that a lot.
Dr. Jena (01:19)
And
Meg Powers (01:21)
You're like, is it Meg? Yeah, it's three letters. It's a short vowel.
Dr. Jena (01:29)
This is after a great start. I
Meg Powers (01:31)
We're doing great.
Dr. Jena (01:33)
I have this history where I used to call the wagabag down the street, which I think is wagabag. and I used to call it the wagabag, and now anytime there's something similar, I just stumble on my words. So it's not Mag. It's Meg. And we're gonna get started.
Meg Powers (01:53)
Dear that needed clarification.
Dr. Jena (01:57)
crying already. I'll give a better intro. Meg Powers. This is gonna be hard.
Meg Powers (02:00)
We knew this was gonna be hard. We didn't know why.
Dr. Jena (02:05)
Meg Powers is a Philadelphia area based physical therapist and lactation consultant. She owns a mobile private practice where she aims to meet clients, literally and therapeutically where they are. she hates saying that she specializes in anything and prefers to describe herself as the queen of all trades, not a jack, which is great when it comes to PT, and you absolutely are, because I know that you treat anything and everything.
Dr. Jena (02:28)
infant or struggling with breastf or bottle feeding, head shape concerns, motor skills. That's kind of where we bonded over Instagram.
Dr. Jena (02:36)
she also works with adults for lactation care, pelvic flor therapy, general orthopedic PT, and because obviously that's not enough, she also works with children and adolescents for concerns such as constipation, incontinence, to walking and more. So perfect person to bring on the podcast to
Dr. Jena (02:51)
talk about anything and everything, She does have three children, all girls aged six to twelve.
Dr. Jena (02:56)
Meg's also married for 16 years to a very cool person as well named Sean. She obviously married him to upgrade her last name to powers, and they do have a lot in common because Sean is also a PT.
Dr. Jena (03:09)
Megan's Providence, Wellness, PT, and lactation. And you can and should definitely follow her on Instagram. But we are gonna get into this and how this started is actually, you know,
Dr. Jena (03:19)
I was listening to the daily episode and I sent it to you. it was all about basically taking the metrics that we have and our Apple watches and everything and applying it to children, babies from day one. And I would basically give you homework and like force fed it to you. And I was like, listen to this, tell me what you think.
Meg Powers (03:36)
Yeah. Lot of homework.
Dr. Jena (03:39)
so you obviously listen to the podcast. I mean I don't control
Meg Powers (03:42)
I do my homework.
Dr. Jena (03:45)
do you w want to give a little synopsis of it
Meg Powers (03:49)
yeah, I mean I well, so the podcast interviewed some families who are using different, you know, baby tracking devices, wearables or cameras and things like that. They kind of broke down some of the information that can be gleaned from these devices and they talked with
Meg Powers (04:07)
parents about how using the devices makes them feel or the reasons that they use it. and then they also talked, I guess, with some experts about, you know, what the effects of all of this information can be. So that was kind of the gist.
Dr. Jena (04:20)
I definitely have my own opinions about that when I was listening to the episode about when it comes to adding these technologies to parenting, there's some pros and cons. especially as someone that's struggled with postpartum anxiety and over analyzing everything.
Dr. Jena (04:38)
is not really sure if more data in more ways to track your baby is a good thing or where is the bar,
Dr. Jena (04:49)
Have you seen in your practice that this is making parents more anxious? Or is it actually being a helpful tool?
Meg Powers (04:56)
Think we have to be careful if we're saying that the devices are making parents more anxious versus like if we are observing maybe that the folks who are tending to elect to use them maybe tend toward
Dr. Jena (05:10)
Mm.
Meg Powers (05:11)
being, we'll call them maybe overthinkers or you
Dr. Jena (05:15)
Sure, yeah.
Meg Powers (05:16)
know, more cautious type, you know, folks,
Meg Powers (05:18)
I will be very honest. I have mixed feelings about them. I'm I'm really kind of middle of the road on these kinds of things. can I share a little bit about maybe my personal experience as well?
Dr. Jena (05:32)
Absolutely. I would love to hear it.
Meg Powers (05:34)
So as a first time parent, my was I was thrown into parenthood and kind of like a
Meg Powers (05:41)
Not ideal way, I went into labor at 32 weeks. So I ended
Dr. Jena (05:45)
Mm-hmm.
Meg Powers (05:46)
up with a kiddo in the NICU for five weeks. So you want to talk about monitoring and and medicalization and like, you know, drilling down into like nitty-gritty numbers and tracking things. I was full out in this realm of constantly looking at numbers and monitors and screening.
Meg Powers (06:09)
screens, perhaps more so than I was really like looking at my baby sometimes, I really kind of was thrown right into a highly monitored child. So
Dr. Jena (06:20)
Sure.
Meg Powers (06:20)
while I don't think that's ideal, there were times where it was beneficial. There were times where I felt better
Meg Powers (06:30)
about what was going on because I could look and see numbers or I had a safeguard. Like for instance, after she was discharged from the NICU, she was on an apnea monitor. So she had a little electrodes on her chest that monitor her heart rate and her breathing. And it would literally sound, it was like attached to a box that was attached to her 247 and it was recording. and it would
Meg Powers (06:56)
it would go off and it sounded like a smoke detector next to my bed. it would go off if she if her values dipped. So you know that was a that was medically necessary information and monitoring, but
Meg Powers (07:10)
there were times where I felt better knowing that she had that attached to her. I I felt like, you know, I could
Meg Powers (07:18)
rest when I needed to rest and I knew that something would wake me up if there was a problem. So I kinda get it. also
Meg Powers (07:24)
came with a fair bit of, you know, challenges like for
Meg Powers (07:30)
months to probably a good year after we were done with the apnea monitor, when my oven would come up to temperature when I was preheating it and it would beep, I would get full on like fight or flight response.
Dr. Jena (07:44)
and sorry to interrupt, but I I love that
Meg Powers (07:46)
No, I was done.
Dr. Jena (07:47)
example because there's so many times where it is medically necessary and there's been so many incredible advances and I think like the question should be asked and answered really. What
Dr. Jena (08:01)
problem is the technology that we're using with our little ones trying to solve. And if it's things that is medically necessary, or like you had said, maybe there's situations where it can bring down some anxiety for parents, or it can aid it. And so it could be very much a case-by-case decision.
Dr. Jena (08:21)
But I'm curious if there are any things that you've seen in practice where it has been, I guess, more of a pro or more of a con.
Meg Powers (08:30)
I think one thing that I find that parents are frequently trying to optimize is sleep. And I don't
Dr. Jena (08:37)
yeah.
Meg Powers (08:38)
blame parents at all, whatsoever for that. Like I get it. I'm not gonna say I don't empathize, but like I am a low sleep needs person and my
Dr. Jena (08:48)
Mm-hmm.
Meg Powers (08:48)
my spouse is a very high sleep needs person. and so when we had young infants like
Meg Powers (08:54)
It just it kind of balanced out. I I w did okay with being the person who like got up in the middle of the night and stuff. but I can appreciate that that's not gonna work for everybody and that's not everybody's, you know, truth. Like sleep is really important, especially as a new parent, and I do hear a lot of folks talking about sleep,
Meg Powers (09:13)
professionals in different realms of, the healthcare space. So a lot of mental health providers, pediatricians, etc. I think as a lactation consultant, we should be involved in the sleep conversation more often than perhaps we are.
Dr. Jena (09:30)
Mm.
Meg Powers (09:30)
simply because I find that sometimes in parents' efforts to optimize sleep, and which is often encouraged as well by by other providers, the conversation gets a little tricky around things like feeding frequency and milk supply and things like that.
Meg Powers (09:46)
Practically, this is something that sometimes it's like a little correction that we're sort of having to make sometimes. and it's often relatively easily rectified, but sometimes it can we can see detriments, you know, to things like milk supply and feeding patterns and things like that when when sleep is like heavily the thing that is focused on and optimized.
Meg Powers (10:08)
And so and there's lots of technology out there that's that's helping parents optimize infant sleep. And again, if that's the priority, I completely understand. but I just think we have to be looking at all aspects of it and involving lots of different providers.
Dr. Jena (10:21)
And sometimes when we're in practice, like you had said, they might need to work with a lactation consultant to help with the sleep.
Dr. Jena (10:29)
issues that they're seeing and that could be beneficial. However, I feel a lot of times that becomes like the last resource that is used and exhausted. And in terms of marketing and where parents are gonna go first, often it will be these technologies because in our day to day lives everything is, you know, on our phone. And that's where that marketing is. You just do a swipe and they know you were looking at two or three AM because of your algorithm at, you know,
Dr. Jena (10:57)
how to it can I get my baby to sleep through the night? Now you've got a million different ads. And the question then for me becomes are we are like
Dr. Jena (11:08)
w are we trying to replace something that needs to truly be done in person and one on one and individualized, when is it okay to replace those things?
Dr. Jena (11:18)
there are also people that have gone through, gotten the experience like you have, and can give way better insight and information than what an app can on trends. Now I love innovation and I think that technology is important.
Dr. Jena (11:34)
So I think that's the question that we just have to answer and figure out how to optimize like when can a parent use these things and when do they absolutely need to go see someone?
Meg Powers (11:45)
I think that just as with everything else, there's an appropriate balance that, you know, that can be found. And I think that when we start to get away from, seeking out trusted professionals
Meg Powers (11:58)
listening to our instincts using common sense and our intuition, you know, really connecting with our baby that's right in front of us and trying to interpret their communication and their behaviors. and
Meg Powers (12:14)
other family members who or friends who ha who have babies a little older than ours and just people who have sort of like walked,
Meg Powers (12:22)
the path ahead of us. when we start getting away from those sources, I don't I don't know that we're doing the best for our kids.
Dr. Jena (12:31)
Yeah, I agree.
Meg Powers (12:32)
I just think
Meg Powers (12:32)
that there's a good balance to be found there. And I don't necessarily know while convenient, especially at 3 a.m.,
Meg Powers (12:40)
Google behaviors, you know, Google the heck out of our kid.
Meg Powers (12:45)
that we tune in, you know, to what what our brains are telling us, what our body is telling us, what we think our baby is trying to tell us, and then run those things by our pediatricians, our lactation consultants, our moms, aunts, best friends, communities, our
Dr. Jena (13:05)
Yeah.
Meg Powers (13:06)
parent meetup groups, things like that.
Dr. Jena (13:08)
Yeah.
Dr. Jena (13:25)
I want to go through each technology device that are going to be used for babies and tracking babies and things that are out on the market and we can basically say yay or nay to whether we like them. So the first one is smart.
Dr. Jena (13:40)
monitors or wearables. So I think this would be the ones that like the monitor tracks your baby and will tell you whether they're awake or whether they've moved.
Meg Powers (13:51)
Yay. As as you're not obsessing over
Meg Powers (14:00)
like wake windows and all the timing things.
Dr. Jena (14:04)
Yes. I'm gonna say yay on this one too. I've mainly because someone had mentioned for the smart monitor that it can also get cute little videos of you greeting your baby in the morning. And I just think that's cute.
Meg Powers (14:17)
Okay, that is cute.
Meg Powers (14:17)
The other reason I like it is because I've heard that and this might be an upgrade for it, but that it will tell you percentage
Dr. Jena (14:24)
Yeah.
Meg Powers (14:25)
of time that babies on like they're the right side versus the left side, which for how often we deal with head shape issues, like that's invaluable info, I think. We can like we could set measurable goals on that.
Dr. Jena (14:38)
I agree. We can actually yeah, from a PT perspective, we're getting data.
Dr. Jena (14:42)
Okay, second one I'm curious about is ooh, the sleep and wake window tracking. So
Meg Powers (14:49)
Pass.
Dr. Jena (14:50)
For me it was a pass.
Dr. Jena (14:51)
this one
Meg Powers (14:51)
Yeah, same.
Dr. Jena (14:53)
feeding apps where it tells you like ounces, minutes, pumping. Like I have seen parents they have their little one and then they will like start the timer. And I don't know
Meg Powers (15:02)
Yes.
Dr. Jena (15:03)
if that's common because I don't do a lot of lactation work, so
Meg Powers (15:07)
I will say yay, especially in the early days, but like you gotta stop probably no later than like four months. Like if if you're still tracking things by four months, there should be a reason why it's being tracked, not like simply just for the data.
Meg Powers (15:29)
that I am speaking from again experience of like started tracking a lot of stuff early, had to track every like I was tracking in, milliliters versus ounces. Like we were we were we were talking really small increments of things.
Meg Powers (15:45)
I will also say that some of the data came in handy when I was looking at trends of things like pumping output when I was exclusively pumping or if I was there was like a point where my daughter was like
Meg Powers (16:00)
eight months old and randomly like started really hurting me and we were trying to figure out. I went to a lactation consultant so it wasn't just like,
Meg Powers (16:10)
going it alone based on the app, but like we wanted to kind of look at some data and see like, did my pumping output, like when I was away from her in pumping, did my output suddenly drop? Are we is that why she was getting was she getting some somewhat frustrated? So it can be useful, but like probably move away from it and more toward like, what is your baby doing? Are they growing well? Are they putting out enough diapers? And
Meg Powers (16:34)
But after a few weeks to months you should have a solid feeling for when you know a good feeding versus like a not so great feeding.
Dr. Jena (16:42)
Yeah. And this is a question that I have specifically for you in this regard too, because the thing about it being so rigid and being like this amount of time, like at this time of day, I can see how that can be beneficial. But I I do know too that like if I have a bit more activity one day I might be a bit more hungry that day. Or like if my kids are in a gross spurt, they might be more hungry. And so there's I I guess there could be some truth and benefit to being like
Dr. Jena (17:11)
Let's just kinda
Dr. Jena (17:11)
see if they're more hungry one day or if they're in that can just be kind of how it is. I mean, I don't know if I don't you're the expert on that. I'm not sure as well.
Meg Powers (17:20)
No, I agree.
Meg Powers (17:21)
I mean 'cause
Meg Powers (17:22)
You know, I've I'm thinking recently of a case that I had of like a nine month old baby and mom was quite concerned and called me in because baby had been, as of late taking in fewer ounces and she would she just felt that this is an exclusively bottle fed, a formula fed baby. and and mom was concerned about growth. And when I went in, you know, we we talked all about how much, you know, baby was eating. We also did like a full gross motor assessment.
Meg Powers (17:50)
and I mean this kiddo had the cutest chubby t like she she just looked well nourished and and for all intents and purposes looked to be growing and developing nicely. but there was definitely concern about
Meg Powers (18:03)
The number of ounces per day. And so in this case, mom had a feeding app, and we were able to take that data and zoom way out and look at her entire lifetime. And what we found when we looked at that was there were multiple instances where she trended up, leveled off, trended down, trended up, leveled off, trended down. And we looked at a maybe like three periods or so throughout this child's lifetime where she had sort of gone through some of
Meg Powers (18:32)
These dips, and that she slowly rebounded and increased her ounces, and that over that time she had maintained her growth curve, she had maintained her gross motor development, she was growing and developing beautifully. she had maintained diaper output And for the most part, what we decided together after looking at all of that information
Meg Powers (18:50)
there was nothing really wrong with the way that this child was eating. and that there were just periods where she went through slightly, lower intake, and that it it ultimately rebounded. And that those might have been times where, like you said, she she wasn't really actively in a huge growth spurt, or maybe she wasn't, she wasn't overly hungry, or introduction of other things going on. and
Meg Powers (19:10)
we were able to really look at the data and I think it was reassuring for all of us, It was good to see that.
Dr. Jena (19:17)
That sounds like something where it was a overall positive then to have that data
Meg Powers (19:20)
Yes.
Dr. Jena (19:21)
to look back on. speaking of constantly tracking something, how do we feel about developmental apps that are constantly tracking milestones? And maybe I'm there's a specific one that I think of where it's like they talk about leaps and the things that little ones are
Meg Powers (19:38)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Dr. Jena (19:40)
going through.
Dr. Jena (19:40)
or like when they should be doing a specific milestone. I am curious what you think, yay or nay.
Meg Powers (19:47)
I'm gonna say nay. While I definitely love the ability to frame a rough patch that a family might be going through within the context of something that is going on for the child and is very real. the anticipation,
Meg Powers (20:06)
potentially negative anticipation that that that an an impending, you know, cloudy day or like a, I don't know, there's something associated with like the lows
Dr. Jena (20:15)
Yes.
Meg Powers (20:16)
that that can potentially cause, I I just don't think is worth it. I think that once again we can kind of zoom back out and look at a baby and be like, this is a blip.
Dr. Jena (20:26)
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
Meg Powers (20:28)
This is
Meg Powers (20:28)
but something's going on and often we won't know what that thing is until that thing is done. And then it'll
Dr. Jena (20:33)
Yes.
Meg Powers (20:34)
show up and we'll go, that's what that's what that was. We were learning how to roll from back to belly. No wonder you wouldn't go to sleep.
Dr. Jena (20:38)
Yep. Yes, exactly.
Dr. Jena (20:41)
Well, and that's the thing too, where it's like those I'm also nay on that. which is funny coming from two people that are very into development and tracking it. but it's because we're into it and tracking it that we understand that there can be a nuance to it. And I have seen a lot of people stress out about milestones and not hitting the target number that they have seen.
Dr. Jena (21:05)
whether it's on an app that they're tracking or a handout they get from the pediatrician.
Meg Powers (21:09)
Yeah, I think
Meg Powers (21:10)
the more helpful version of that is something that educationally shows parents how to facilitate development rather than sort of this checkbox timeline based, you know, acquisition goal sort of thing.
Dr. Jena (21:28)
Yeah. And maybe giving an exercise to do with them that does bring in that intuition and bonding and maybe kid tracks away from the technology for a moment too is beneficial.
Dr. Jena (21:55)
There was a study essentially where they compared developmental outcomes with giving standard literacy support versus just texting versus doing texting with the family and community resource navigation.
Dr. Jena (22:11)
the texting was associated with improvements in some developmental outcomes, but I thought it was interesting because in the group where they added the texting and additional community resource navigation, it wasn't better. So I think this kind of goes back to talking about how sometimes adding more technology and more things isn't always better. And sometimes the simplest answer really is the easiest and best one. And
Dr. Jena (22:36)
I don't know about you, but I get texts from parents all the time. And I am texting them all the time. it's it's amazing. It it
Meg Powers (22:44)
And I love it. Do you love it? Right.
Dr. Jena (22:48)
is genuinely awesome. In fact, I joined Hey Poppins or in Poppins and they had an ability to text with your physician and it is life changing. And I th it's like it's so nice when my
Dr. Jena (23:02)
my, you know, patients are doing a home program and they have a question about whether this looks right and they can send it to, you know, the business number and I can look at it and make a quick on the fly adjustment. I also think that sometimes we overcomplicate technology when really we have to look at the easiest answer. And so, you know, why could something that's so simple as texting work? And I think it's because it's simple.
Dr. Jena (23:28)
the thing that it was like it was like the touch points, I think, in between visits that led to the bigger out like the better developmental outcome.
Meg Powers (23:37)
I mean, gosh, if if if we had that level of accountability in everything, like I would be so much more productive. But like it's
Dr. Jena (23:45)
it's so true.
Meg Powers (23:46)
it is, I think, really just goes back to what we were saying about like, hey, let's lean back into our
Meg Powers (23:54)
trusted professionals. And that's what this is. This is leaning into those trusted professionals and touching base with them when you need something versus, turning to the internet. I think that
Dr. Jena (24:05)
I
Meg Powers (24:05)
makes sense.
Dr. Jena (24:06)
I have a lot of apps that will give me notifications to remind me to do things. But if I have a person that's reaching out to me and contacting me, I am much more likely to respond and to I guess actually follow through.
Dr. Jena (24:21)
for those who don't know, Meg's in improv. So she's like, she's very good with improv things. So I'm gonna give text messages.
Meg Powers (24:27)
Great setup, thank you.
Dr. Jena (24:29)
No pressure. isn't a part of improv that you're gonna be standing up there for a while and like it can't always be successful, I assume, in improv sometimes
Meg Powers (24:37)
That's right.
Dr. Jena (24:39)
What is it exposure therapy? you're you're
Meg Powers (24:41)
Yeah.
Dr. Jena (24:42)
but I okay, we're gonna do scenarios where one of your patients is or someone is texting you and sending you a text, and I am curious if you can come up with a one sentence response for them.
Meg Powers (24:56)
Okay,
Dr. Jena (24:56)
Okay, so first one my three month old hates tummy time.
Meg Powers (25:01)
Modify it. Modify it,
Dr. Jena (25:02)
Ooh.
Meg Powers (25:03)
modify it, modify it. They aren't they don't hate tummy time. They are learning to love tummy time. And it's your job to help them learn to love it. So just help like modify it. Meet them
Dr. Jena (25:15)
modify it.
Meg Powers (25:16)
where they are.
Dr. Jena (25:17)
I love it. Okay, that's a good one. Now My five month old isn't rolling.
Meg Powers (25:22)
I would say we need to check their rotational mobility.
Dr. Jena (25:29)
you know what I would have said? I know this sounds so bad. I would have been like, so what? It's not that I don't think that rolling is important, but
Meg Powers (25:35)
really? Which way? Which way are they not rolling?
Dr. Jena (25:41)
was it tummy to back, back to tummy, log rolling, segmental, or but I feel like they can r like there we've got a little bit more time at five months. I don't know.
Meg Powers (25:50)
Yeah, I mean
Meg Powers (25:50)
I think well I think if they're not rolling out of tummy time at five months, I'd be more curious why than if they weren't rolling into tummy time at five months. If they're not rolling into tummy time at five months, I don't consider them like late on that scale by any means. I would
Dr. Jena (26:03)
That's fair.
Meg Powers (26:03)
just be like, Okay, let's prop up their butt.
Dr. Jena (26:06)
Yeah, that's fair.
Dr. Jena (26:07)
the the next one, this is the comparison trop. My friend's baby is crawling and mine isn't.
Meg Powers (26:12)
Get new friends. no. Watch watch the
Dr. Jena (26:13)
Love that.
Meg Powers (26:17)
episode The Baby Race of Bluey.
Dr. Jena (26:20)
I love that one so I cried. It was yeah, I cried on that one.
Meg Powers (26:23)
Of course, of course.
Dr. Jena (26:25)
Ooh. Next one. My baby clicks when breastfeeding.
Meg Powers (26:29)
that that's funny because my answer for that is who cares?
Dr. Jena (26:34)
Yeah.
Meg Powers (26:34)
if that's the only thing that they are doing, like I don't care. Now if you're like my baby clicks and they pop off and they fuss and they cry and they're uncomfortable and they're gassy and they spit up frequently and they hate tummy time and they're very stiff, okay, that's a different conversation.
Dr. Jena (26:51)
Okay.
Meg Powers (26:51)
if you said, you know, and they're or they're coughing and they're gagging and they're ch stuff like that. If they click and that's it, that's okay. That
Dr. Jena (26:59)
Love it.
Meg Powers (27:00)
that might be totally okay.
Dr. Jena (27:01)
What about my baby only wants to sit?
Meg Powers (27:04)
Check their rotational mobility. Yeah,
Dr. Jena (27:07)
Okay, that one I definitely agree with. Yes.
Meg Powers (27:10)
that is a kid that can't twist.
Dr. Jena (27:12)
Mm.
Meg Powers (27:13)
and also we might need to get down on the floor with that kid and help them get back down onto their tummy.
Dr. Jena (27:20)
What about, ooh, I'm curious on this one. I don't think we've talked about this. I'm curious. Okay. Someone told me my baby has retained primitive refluxes.
Meg Powers (27:29)
who told you that? Right? Did the internet tell you that? or did
Dr. Jena (27:33)
Ooh, I love that.
Meg Powers (27:34)
did an occupational therapist that evaluated your child tell you that? I think those
Dr. Jena (27:38)
Love it.
Meg Powers (27:38)
are different sources of information.
Dr. Jena (27:40)
That's me clapping. That's perfect.
Meg Powers (27:59)
I thank you very much for including me in this cause it's so fun and I love what you're doing with this podcast and I really, really want to do this again.
Dr. Jena (28:07)
Yeah, I definitely think we should.
Dr. Jena (28:09)
I wanna say thank you for joining me today and talking about technology and then also the a million different side quests that were taken along the way. We did.
Meg Powers (28:16)
We did a good job controlling ourselves though.
Dr. Jena (28:20)
And remind me you say your name Meg, right? Is that correct?
Meg Powers (28:24)
That is the only
Meg Powers (28:26)
pronunciation available in the
Dr. Jena (28:27)
Yeah.
Meg Powers (28:28)
English language for that three letter name. Okay.
Dr. Jena (28:55)
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